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RickSp
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Dec 31, 2004, 5:21 PM

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I will be diving in Bonaire in March and wanted to shoot some video. I have been considering which camera I should be using and which housing.

For shooting on shore I plan on bringing my PD150. I also have a VX1000 and a little Sony Dig8 camcorder. The Dig8 and the VX1000 are less than wonderful in low light and my first preference would be to use the PD150. Of course of the three cameras the 150 is one I would least like to soak in salt water. Does anyone have an opinion on which camera I should use? Is the PD150 likely to give me a noticeably better image than the VX1000 or the Dig8?

Housings - My budget is limited. The least expensive alternative at just under $500 would be an EWA bag, good for 30 feet or so. The light in shallow water would be better and the colors more vivid that in deeper water. I still wonder whether I would be too constrained by the limitations of the EWA. I am also concerned about putting a camera in what amounts to a really heavy Glad bag.

An other alternative would be to pick up an Ikelite housing for $1,100 or so. Given that I don't dive often I hate to spend the money but it looks like a good housing for the price.

I have also looked into renting a housing but for a week it appears that I would spend almost as much as buying a housing.

Any words of wisdom? Sage advice?

Thanks,

Rick Spilman
Meridian Multimedia

www.meridianmultimedia.com

Rick Spilman
Meridian Multimedia
www.meridianmultimedia.com


sjspeck
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Dec 31, 2004, 9:30 PM

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I will be diving in Bonaire in March and wanted to shoot some video. I have been considering which camera I should be using and which housing....

Any words of wisdom? Sage advice?


Rick,

Personally, although I'm sure EWA makes a good product, I wouldn't put my camera into one of their bags and dive with it much past 10-15'. And on Bonaire the more interesting reef structure starts at 25-30' most places, above that is mostly coral rubble and sand. So you'd be at the max depth for the bag before getting to anything you'd really want to film.

There are other better options for under $500 - Aquatix - www.aquatix.com makes a mechanical tube housing with record & power on/off control for $459, it's depth rated to 200'. They also have a cheaper version which is just basically a tube with handles, you start and seal your camera in it and dive while recording the whole time.

In some places on Bonaire, you could do this. If you stay at any of the dive resorts on the water, you can actually seal your housing on the dock/prep area and then dive. I wouldn't recommend doing this if you're going to do a lot of shorediving though, there's sand everywhere as there's almost always a breeze, which makes keeping the back o-ring clean difficult, especially since o-ring grease seems to attract sand.

Since it's generally very bright in Bonaire, you'll do well with any of your cameras there. Whatever housing you get, make sure to get and use a red filter for anything below 15' otherwise all your video will be too blue. Most housing mfr's get them from UR/Pro. www.urprofilter.com. You'll want their CY filter for Bonaire. Conversely when filming above 15' remove the filter, otherwise everything will be too yellow.

We filmed in Bonaire last June up to about 60' with no lights with good results. We probably could have gone a little deeper, but I didn't want to have to do any video post-processing to correct the red falloff.

Any 2 lux or better camera will work there, that's what I used. You can see when it's too dark in the viewfinder, for us that was about 70' one bright, but not especially sunny day. On the bright days we probably could have gone deeper, except the stuff we were filming was all in the 40-60' range.

There's also generally some generic tube, Equinox, used Ikelite and other housings on eBay. Some of them sell for as little as $200. For any of the camera specific models, make sure that your camera will fit the controls, retro-fitting them is usually about a $200 option, if it's even possible. Make sure you can get replacement o-rings/parts for it also, some of the housings sold are from companies that are out of business.

Another option is to look for a Sony compatible electronic housing, with a LANC controller most basic camera functions can be accessed through external pushbuttons/switches - advantage to this is less intrusions into the housing since most mfr's use electro-magnetic switches. So less possible leak points than with a mechanical housing. Also if the electronics fail, you can still turn on the camera, seal it and film, if a mechanical gland fails, it has to be replaced before you can use it again. And on Bonaire, you'll be lucky to find a housing to rent - I only know of one place - let alone someplace with parts to repair one.

Also check Backscatter - www.backscatter.com, they sometimes have good used equipment.

Feel free to contact me for more help, either about housings or Bonaire. I was there last summer for DiveFest. Also see www.bonairetalk.com for good general info.

Steve


bubblevision
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Dec 31, 2004, 10:21 PM

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Well the PD150 will do the best job. It's great in low light so the graininess you get when the camera's gain has to kick in will be less than the VX1000. Both the PD150 and VX1000 will give a much better picture in any conditions than the Dig8 because they are 3CCD etc etc, but you will already know that from use topside.

Making a good job of underwater video is a difficult thing to do in half measures. I think if you bought the EWA bag you would very quickly be frustrated with its limitations.

I wonder why you have the VX1000 and Dig8 as well as the PD150. Why not consider selling them to help fund a proper housing for your PD150 like a Gates or Amphibico?

If you still don't want to spend that much money, look out for a 2nd hand housing for the VX1000. I would put Gates at the top of the list, followed by Amphibico. The VX1000 can take very nice underwater footage indeed and 2nd hand housings should be in pretty low demand and quite cheap.
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Bubble Vision underwater video & marine life DVD, Phuket, Thailand
Sony VX2000, Gates housing, L&M Sunray lights
Sony Vegas


RickSp
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Jan 1, 2005, 5:28 AM

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Thank you both. Great advice.

Bubblevision. How are you? I am new to the forum and when I saw your signature I immediately thought of the tsunami. Great to see that you are OK (at least sufficiently to post) and have electricity and access to a computer.

I would really love to shoot with the PD150. Much better image than the VX1000. I keep the VX1000 because it is OK as a second camera and as a backup. (I have nightmares about showing up to a job and dropping a camera.) I keep the Dig8 as a family camera and because I still have 8mm tapes floating around.

The PD150 will not fit in an Aquatix housing. (I don't think the VX1000 will either.) I have been watching EBay for housings. Haven't found anything yet but will keep watching.

Thanks again.

Rick Spilman
Meridian Multimedia
www.meridianmultimedia.com


bubblevision
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Jan 1, 2005, 10:58 AM

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I was very lucky to be at home on the hill at the back of Patong when the tsunami struck, so it didn't affect me directly. There are a lot of cancellations coming in now for dive trips so it's going to be a very quiet season. I'm off to Burma for 9 days from 3rd to 11th so at least I'm getting some diving in. Although the area next to the beach in Patong is destroyed, we didn't have it as bad here as some places.
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Sony VX2000, Gates housing, L&M Sunray lights
Sony Vegas


sjspeck
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Jan 1, 2005, 12:42 PM

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The PD150 will not fit in an Aquatix housing. (I don't think the VX1000 will either.) I have been watching EBay for housings. Haven't found anything yet but will keep watching.

You're right, I was thinking it was a shorter camera body. The VX will fit in an Equinox Pro-Pak 8 if you can locate one of them. There were also a couple of Amphibico VX housings on eBay last month, but they sold for well over $1K.