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X-Kioko
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Jul 30, 2001, 9:10 AM

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<a href="http://206.27.124.125/ht-trailer.mov">http://206.27.124.125/ht-trailer.mov</a>

email: <a href="mailto:kiofilms@hotmail.com">kiofilms@hotmail.com</a>


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Well, you know enough about camera work, editing, and stealing the right music, but the fighting was totally fake and the lighting was generally bad. I can only imagine that the writing is bad too, because it generally follows the acting. Better than most, though, and certainly better than the pure crap that I expected.


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The move the Nadine does on the table and the last shot just before the explosion looks really cool.
This is coming from a guy who in general doesn't like action flicks and plain despised "Romeo Must Die"
Good Luck :-)


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Impressive. Nice work on the titles. Too bad your actors are smiling during the "tense action!"
I admire anyone that can put together a movie on Hi-8 instead of whining about wanting to be a filmmaker.
Good luck on your future projects where you'll hopefully be able to integrate a little more production value into the final project (by the way, the 2.35:1 helps anything look better, doesn't it?!).


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Aug 6, 2001, 3:55 AM

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vey impressed with the trailer. iwas was wondering what program u used and how u made it come all together. im a young wannabe filmmaker so could u please tell us how u did it.
also if u get a chance can u please give a comment on my site


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Aug 8, 2001, 8:47 AM

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hey Leon... [In reply to] Can't Post

<i><b>very impressed with the trailer</b></i>
thanks
<i><b>i was was wondering what program u used</b></i>
studio dc10+ from pinnacle systems. good company and great products. check out there site http://www.pinnaclesys.com
<i><b>and how u made it come all together</b></i>
well the film took 4 months to film. the trailer a good 2 weeks. there is a formula to making those hollywood-style trailers. just watch 10 straight trailers and you'll see what I mean.
<b><i>i'm a young wannabe filmmaker so could u please tell us how u did it</i></b>
surround yourself with good casts and a trustworthy crew. I try to have an idea of the trailer before I even shoot the film. eat sleep and breathe the movie until its complete. :-)
<b><i>also if u get a chance can u please give a comment on my site</i></b>
i like the site. your information is very clear and I see you have some good script ideas on the horizon. have you thougt about putting some pictures from the movies you have done on the site? too bad you are in australia as I'd love to help. escpecially the comedy one!
Kioko


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Aug 8, 2001, 8:57 AM

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hi travers [In reply to] Can't Post

<b><i>Impressive. Nice work on the titles.</i></b>
Thanks. Some of the credit goes to my co-director, Josh, for putting those flaming texts in with Adobe After Effects
<b><i>Too bad your actors are smiling during the "tense action!"</i></b>
HAHA surprised you noticed! You must be talking about Leslie. That girl smiled throughout every punch and kick. If you were on the set you'd understand why - we had so much fun making it.
<b><i>I admire anyone that can put together a movie on Hi-8 instead of whining about wanting to be a filmmaker.</i></b>
Why should we wait for Hollywood to tell us we can be a director! You'd be surprised what you're capable of (be it good or bad projects) once you've actually done it.
<b><i>Good luck on your future projects where you'll hopefully be able to integrate a little more production value into the final project</i></b>
Thanks. And this is why you need Hollywood, or equivalent to see your projects so maybe you can get more funding. And ideas on where to find extra money for independent films?
<b><i>(by the way, the 2.35:1 helps anything look better, doesn't it?!)</i></b>
It doesn't really help! I was going for the theatrical look. It was in 1.85:1 (Hi-9 cameras have an option to put black bars at the top and bottom.) It DOES help you tremendously to frame elements in the camera better.
Thanks,
Kioko


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Thanks Arseniy [In reply to] Can't Post

<b><i>The move the Nadine does on the table and the last shot just before the explosion looks really cool. This is coming from a guy who in general doesn't like action flicks and plain despised "Romeo Must Die" Good Luck</b></i>
Thanks for taking the time to watch the whole thing! Ironically the trailer music was actually used for the Romeo Must Die trailer too!!
Thanks,
Kioko


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Aug 8, 2001, 9:09 AM

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hey Jimmy [In reply to] Can't Post

<b><i>Well, you know enough about camera work, editing, and stealing the right music,</i></b>
Thanks - 5 months in the making.
<b><i>but the fighting was totally fake</b></i>
It was wasn't it? You'd be surprised of how many times the actors actually made contact trying to perform those moves. No next time I'll need a stunt coordinator. I realize what those guys are for. Maybe I can get Yuen Woo Ping (Matrix, Crouching Tiger) to help me out!
<b><i>and the lighting was generally bad.</i></b>
Yeah no professional lighting was used. That's what happens with no budget. As long as you could see the action thats what we were aiming at. Any suggestions?
<b><i>I can only imagine that the writing is bad too, because it generally follows the acting.</i></b>
Good observation, only there is not much scripting needed in a 15 minute action film. I'm good at directing (actors/action) that's all I wanted to get across.
<b><i>Better than most, though, and certainly better than the pure crap that I expected</i></b>
Thanks. Seeing how others view your posts here I'll take it as a compliment.
Thanks,
Kioko


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It may sound lame, but it's people like you who get off their butts and take their Hi-8 camera out and do something with it that are going to be successful as filmmakers. Again, kudos to you for shooting a narrative, no matter how large or small. Now, make sure your next project is better, and the next one after that is better yet, and so on and so on. Don't ever settle for doing the same thing twice, and you'll impress even people like "Jimmy."
You handled his post very diplomatically, yet another sign that you'll succeed (a little diplomacy never hurts in ANY business, does it?).


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Aug 9, 2001, 7:29 AM

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Jimmy,
Why not post one of your productions so we can see if you comments have any merit.
John.
: Well, you know enough about camera work, editing, and stealing the right music, but the fighting was totally fake and the lighting was generally bad. I can only imagine that the writing is bad too, because it generally follows the acting. Better than most, though, and certainly better than the pure crap that I expected.


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Agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm with you John.


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I won't because that's what you call an ad hominem attack. Evaluating my comments based on me, my life, or my work is merely a way of attempting to discredit me personally, not a way of discrediting my comments. It's like asking me if I'm a Jew or not. This is not a court of law where I'm giving expert testimony and you have to rely on my credentials. You're free to make your own decision. If you really wanted to know if my comments had any merit, you would simply look at the video to which I was referring.
If you were being truthful, you would have asked to see some of my work because you want to pick at it's flaws to even the score. While I wouldn't post any of my work no matter what because it's a hassle, I certainly am not going to post it for someone so unimaginative that they have to resort to this sort of cheap chicanery.
: Jimmy,
: Why not post one of your productions so we can see if you comments have any merit.
: John.
: : Well, you know enough about camera work, editing, and stealing the right music, but the fighting was totally fake and the lighting was generally bad. I can only imagine that the writing is bad too, because it generally follows the acting. Better than most, though, and certainly better than the pure crap that I expected.


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Hi Jimmy,
If you posted a piece of work that I thought was fantastic I would tell you just that, I don't want to discredit you or your work why would I, I don't know anything about you.
I just would like to see what qualifies you to judge people's work the way you do. Kioko posted his work here, because I'm sure he thought that he'd get feedback from experienced professional people, and I'm sure you could be one of those people. It's not hard to be nice to people Jimmy, if you want to make a comment then make it constructive and to the point, and if it's not, then why not just keep it to yourself.
So go on, post some of your work, if it's good I for one will stand up and tell you that it's good, and if it's not I will try and give you advice on how I think it could be improved, I've got nothing against you. As for your comment
:I certainly am not going to post it for someone so unimaginative that they have to resort to this sort of cheap chicanery.
You do not know me, I could be Steven Spielberg for all you know so keep your opinions of me to yourself.
John. aka Steven Spielberg :-)
PS. If you reply to this with some feeble attempt to have a go at me then your wasting your time, going by the others posts you've made to this forum it's what I'm expecting so why don't you prove me wrong.
: I won't because that's what you call an ad hominem attack. Evaluating my comments based on me, my life, or my work is merely a way of attempting to discredit me personally, not a way of discrediting my comments. It's like asking me if I'm a Jew or not. This is not a court of law where I'm giving expert testimony and you have to rely on my credentials. You're free to make your own decision. If you really wanted to know if my comments had any merit, you would simply look at the video to which I was referring.
: If you were being truthful, you would have asked to see some of my work because you want to pick at it's flaws to even the score. While I wouldn't post any of my work no matter what because it's a hassle, I certainly am not going to post it for someone so unimaginative that they have to resort to this sort of cheap chicanery.
: : Jimmy,
: : Why not post one of your productions so we can see if you comments have any merit.
: : John.
: : : Well, you know enough about camera work, editing, and stealing the right music, but the fighting was totally fake and the lighting was generally bad. I can only imagine that the writing is bad too, because it generally follows the acting. Better than most, though, and certainly better than the pure crap that I expected.



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: PS. If you reply to this with some feeble attempt to have a go at me then your wasting your time, going by the others posts you've made to this forum it's what I'm expecting so why don't you prove me wrong.
Oh, OK. Since you've out-thought me by predicting the obvious. Actually, I'm not going to "have a go at you," but only because I already answered to your only response in my last message. So why don't you go back and read that one again.
PS. If you respond to this with some feeble reply, then you're only wasting your time, because I'm expecting that.


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Wow! Great work! We do the same thing here in the Philadelphia area and we have tons of fun as well! How did you get the "widescreen" look? I have a Sony Mini-DV brand new cam and I have the AVIO editor AND I have Adobe Premiere 6.0 and After Effects. I just started using Adobe and could sure use some help! You have a FANTASTIC attitude. I love your positive responses to these postings! Keep up the good work.
: <a href="http://206.27.124.125/ht-trailer.mov">http://206.27.124.125/ht-trailer.mov</a>
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: email: <a href="mailto:kiofilms@hotmail.com">kiofilms@hotmail.com</a>


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I see John's point on "why not post some of your work" bright and clear. Show what you mean, a picture says a thousand words and such.
Your reply to that, Jimmy, is mainly based on the prospect of your work being viewed the same way you view the work of other's, but what grounds for that assumption do you have?
To my knowledge you are the only one here who tends to be harsh with his comments. Everyone else seems very diplomatic about what they say. John is obviously going to be a reasonably critical viewer, he gave you his word on that, so he's only going to discredit himself by being overly critical. Kioko is in no position to nitpick at a piece with professional lighting, script, acting and the like. And he's admitted that. As for anticipating some general criticism, well you get that with any audience. Might as well not show your work at all. And you always have the now unquestionable "show your own work to support your rude comments" rule on your side.
So we're left with "its a hassle." Are you telling me that you never put your stuff on the web? If you do, it should be nice and ready, almost no hastle at all, just post a URL. And if not, unless you're using really out of date software, it really is no more of a hassle then writing a few posts.
So unless what you do is not that superior to Kioko's trailer I don't see why you wouldn't show it.
I guess I could see your point if what you do is really avant-garde, but even then if anyone is to judge your work badly on those basis alone, well that would discredit them in my eyes, not your work.


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: I see John's point on "why not post some of your work" bright and clear. Show what you mean, a picture says a thousand words and such.
What a remarkable ability you have for glossing over the substance of an argument. "Show what I mean"? I said what I meant in the original post. What, specifically, were you confused about? "A picture says a thousand words and such"? That can't even be described as a coherent thought!
: Your reply to that, Jimmy, is mainly based on the prospect of your work being viewed the same way you view the work of other's, but what grounds for that assumption do you have?
: To my knowledge you are the only one here who tends to be harsh with his comments. Everyone else seems very diplomatic about what they say. John is obviously going to be a reasonably critical viewer, he gave you his word on that, so he's only going to discredit himself by being overly critical. Kioko is in no position to nitpick at a piece with professional lighting, script, acting and the like. And he's admitted that. As for anticipating some general criticism, well you get that with any audience. Might as well not show your work at all. And you always have the now unquestionable "show your own work to support your rude comments" rule on your side.
"Now unquestionable"? Rule? Are you being serious? Anyway, you seem to have missed the whole point of my post on ad hominem attacks, so I'll do a little repeating for you. My comments are valid or invalid based on their own merits, regardless of who I am or what I do. It doesn't matter if Joel Schumacher or Francis Ford Coppola said them. They are specific criticisms of certain aspects of the video, and they can be either supported or refuted with facts drawn from observing the video. Since you supposedly have already viewed the video, you can make a decision by analyzing my comments with respect to what you saw.
But you don't want to do that. Either you want to be able to discount my comments by deeming my work bad, or you want to just accept my comments by deeming my work good. Either approach makes you a mindless follower, devoid of indepentant reasoning ability. Of course, maybe you aren't either of those things. Maybe you just want to see it in order to attack me personally and even the score for my "rude" comments. This is the most likely motivation. Your hope is to extract some righteous vengence on behalf of Kioko so that you can play the hero in front of your newfound message board pals. Don't you think it's pathetic that you want to be the hero of a message board?
Furthermore, I think you're missing the whole point of the Internet message board. It's a free, anonymous zone where we don't have to be so encumbered by diplomacy and manners. This might come as a shock to you, but we don't have to be friends just because we both use the Internet.
: So we're left with "its a hassle." Are you telling me that you never put your stuff on the web? If you do, it should be nice and ready, almost no hastle at all, just post a URL. And if not, unless you're using really out of date software, it really is no more of a hassle then writing a few posts.
I don't post things on the internet, so it would take time for me to figure it all out. Even if the process were as painless as you suggest, I certainly am not interested in taking one extra second to try to impress some people that I don't know and don't care about.
: So unless what you do is not that superior to Kioko's trailer I don't see why you wouldn't show it.
See previous responses.


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Jimmy,
:Your hope is to extract some righteous vengence on behalf of Kioko so that you can play the hero in front of your newfound message board pals. Don't you think it's pathetic that you want to be the hero of a message board?

You seem to want to be the A@$hole of the message board so I don't see the problem if Arseniy wants to be the hero. :-)
:Furthermore, I think you're missing the whole point of the Internet message board. It's a free, anonymous zone where we don't have to be so encumbered by
diplomacy and manners. This might come as a shock to you, but we don't have to be friends just because we both use the Internet.
Why because we're anonymous and on the net, not talking face to face does it mean that you can dispense with diplomacy and manners? Does it hurt you to be nice?
John.
PS. My initial comment was intended as a joke Jimmy, Please don't take offence.


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: You seem to want to be the A@$hole of the message board so I don't see the problem if Arseniy wants to be the hero. :-)
I don't want to be anything, except honest. I think I was, whether or not I used enough ego-stroking superlatives for Kioko (so he won't kill himself, I guess.)
: Why because we're anonymous and on the net, not talking face to face does it mean that you can dispense with diplomacy and manners? Does it hurt you to be nice?
It doesn't hurt me, but it doesn't help me either. Taking the time and effort to make my thoughts acceptable to people like you is time and effort I don't want to spend.
: John.
: PS. My initial comment was intended as a joke Jimmy, Please don't take offence.
I don't have such a low threshold for offence. You'll have to work a lot harder than that.


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Let me ask you a question Jimmy: What reason do you have for being here? I'm not trying to say that your reasons are inappropriate, or inferior to anyone else's here btw. My question is based more so on the assumption that anything you or anyone else put energy into, their motivations are usually based to some degree of selfishness. Even if for some it starts with "I'm here to offer help to those who need it out of the goodness of my heart" if you go deeper you usually find "cause you never know which one of those guys I'm going to run into and need something from" (you know what I mean ).
That's obviously not what you're here to achieve and that's interesting to me - some of what you say makes me assume that you're a pretty busy individual and you need to have a motivation to put forth effort into anything (which is obviously quite "normal") also you seem intelligent enough not to be getting your kicks from the freedom of bi#ching at people and knowing that there is nothing they can really do about it, so what is it that YOU extract from the anonymous conversations here or on the Internet in general?
Once again I'm not setting you up for a bashing, I really am interested


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: Let me ask you a question Jimmy: What reason do you have for being here? I'm not trying to say that your reasons are inappropriate, or inferior to anyone else's here btw. My question is based more so on the assumption that anything you or anyone else put energy into, their motivations are usually based to some degree of selfishness. Even if for some it starts with "I'm here to offer help to those who need it out of the goodness of my heart" if you go deeper you usually find "cause you never know which one of those guys I'm going to run into and need something from" (you know what I mean ).
Actually, all motivations are inherently based on selfishness. Even the "goodness of my heart" motivation is still selfish, because it satisfies your own desire to help people.
: That's obviously not what you're here to achieve and that's interesting to me - some of what you say makes me assume that you're a pretty busy individual and you need to have a motivation to put forth effort into anything (which is obviously quite "normal") also you seem intelligent enough not to be getting your kicks from the freedom of bi#ching at people and knowing that there is nothing they can really do about it, so what is it that YOU extract from the anonymous conversations here or on the Internet in general?
It's not that I'm so busy that I need a huge motivation to do anything. It's more a function of the fact that I'm not going to automatically respond to challenges just because they are challenges, and I am especially not going to respond when they are just attempts at changing the subject to me personally instead of my comments.
As for getting my kicks, don't be so sure that I don't find it enjoyable to make people angry. It can be fun sometimes. However, this wasn't one of those times. It's just that I don't have any interest in putting a happy face on everything I write.
For me, I get a chance to sharpen my argumentation skills, which is fun and useful. Naturally, most message board tiffs are not too complex on the surface, but there is an interesting challenge in figuring out the other person's motives and likely responses from just a few words. Writing these responses helps me to be concise and to practice writing in general. But, ultimately, it's about doing what I feel like. I DO what I FEEL like.


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1st off thanks for the reply, it truly was educational.

*Actually, all motivations are inherently based on selfishness. Even the "goodness of my heart" motivation is still selfish, because it satisfies your own desire to help people.*
Your right, but your example above is one of the least selfish motivation possible and according to my understanding of the term "selfishness" its about the only example which wouldn't qualify.
In my example however I've taken it a step further and said that usually any motivation is more selfish yet.
*Naturally, most message board tiffs are not too complex on the surface,*

On the surface - no, but no one really is are they? It all depends on how deep you want to go.

*challenge in figuring out the other person's motives and likely responses from just a few words*

Would you believe that you've missed mine by a mile (speaking in snooker terms)? That I simply am infatuated by film and what can be achieved through it. That I'm hoping for, or even expecting (as well as trying to contribute to) the average amount of substance contained in a production to increase dramatically due to the production expenses going down quite significantly over the past few years and now anyone being able to really express themselves through film while risking only a small amount of money and as much time and energy as they may? The same as what happened in the writing world when paper and ink became something available to most.
Would you believe me that I would have more interest in seeing your work be truly ingenious rather then something that would make Kioko feel better about your comments and "even out the score" as you put it?


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: Would you believe that you've missed mine by a mile (speaking in snooker terms)?
Yes. I can only guess at your motivations, and I don't have very much information. On the other hand, I can't really trust you to admit the worst about yourself, now can I? Maybe it was your motivation, maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was, but has now changed. Maybe it was a little of both. I suppose it will simply have to remain a mystery.


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Everything is a mystery to some extent, isn't it Jimmy?
Thanks for the conversation.

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